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Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Clockwork Angel Read Along Day 7: Chapter 6 Strange Earth


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Today we're discussing chapter 6. The plot thickens are Will, Jem and Tessa are on a quest for answers. Charlotte and Henry link Mr Mortmain to the Dark Sisters house and Jessamine reveals a shocking truth.

* This chapter starts off with a warning to Will and Jem. Do you have any guesses into who you think one, made the machine/clock girl and two could have sent the warning? I'm thinking it was someone who had to have known they were going to the brothel, but no one outside of Will, Jem and Tessa knew they were going there. Do you think someone is watching them?

* Jessamine reveals a shocking truth to Tessa when she tells her that she despises everything about the Nephilim, and that she never wanted to be a shadowhunter. She tells her some reasons why, which I can in some small way see why she'd feel that way. Do you sympathize with her or do you think she should just be grateful the Shadowhunters took her in and accept her future with them?

* Henry and Charlotte have some damning evidence that links Mr Mortmain to the Dark Sisters. Once again he has some clever answers as to why that is. Are you buying into his answers or do you think he knows more than he's letting on? What do you think of De Quincey?

46 comments:

  1. I think the machine/clock girl was placed there by the missing Dark Sister/the Pandemonium Club. I think it was waiting for any Shadowhunter that would come across it.

    Jessamine is such a complex character--I love her. You can totally tell that she's fighting with who she is and that always makes an intriguing character. I really can't wait to see where she ends up.

    There's something up about Mortmain. When I first read it, I thought that he might be throwing De Quincey under the bus to protect someone else.

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  2. * I remember I was freaking out when they found the 'person' in the Dark Sisters house, I was like, how is that even posible? I think the dark sisters knew they where going to come back to check it out...

    * I can try to understand the point of view of Jessamine (I mean, because of her education when she was yonger.. But I'm not agree with her, I would love to be a shadowhunter, so I would be grateful to be in her situation.

    * I don't trust Mortmain, not at all. And it makes sense that De Quincey is the Magister. He's he most powerful vampire in town, so, makes sense.

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  3. * The missing Dark Sister seems like the obvious choice to have left the machine/clock girl. I think it’s more likely that whoever left her assumed that they’d be coming back to search the place, but it is likely that someone could be keeping a close eye on them.

    * I felt a bit sorry for Jessamine. She didn’t ask for that life, and she shouldn’t be confined to it if she doesn’t want it. Yet, I think a part of her is better suited to being a Shadowhunter than she would guess.

    * I think he told everything he knew (ha, love how Charlotte terrified him into answering everything!). At first, I figured he said De Quincey was the Magister just to throw them off the right path, but maybe it actually is De Quincey because Mortmain seemed like he’d tell Charlotte anything true by that point….who knows? ;)

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  4. I think there's someone watching the shadowhunters every move, I think the Dark Sisters knew the Nephilim would return to their house and try to find and collect more evidence and details about them so it didn't suprise me they left one of their automotons behind.
    Speaking of Jessamine now, well I do like her, I think that deep inside she knows how important the nephilim race is and how much good they do but she had a happy life with her parents and because she misses them so much it becomes harder for her to accept this new life. And let's point out that her parents didn't want this life, its different from Jem who grew up in that world and from Will who came to the institute out of choice. I definitely don't blame her for wishing for a normal life instead of life of wars and hard choices.

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  5. I think it's understandable for Jessamine to want a normal life. Someone born a prince doesn't necessarily want to be a king. She just wants to choose her own life path

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  6. I think Mortmain made the clockwork girl. He is the only one who can with his business. I think someone is watching them or knows exactly where they will be.

    I think Jessamin wouldn't be where she is if it wasn't for the shadowhunter influence in her life. She was orphaned because her family were shadowhunters although inactive. Her parents were killed. The rules of the clave are rather hard too - her parents couldn't call on the assistance of the clave for anything, not even for help if they were attacked. I can understand why she hates the shadowhunter world.

    Mortmain is full of it. He knows exactly what's going on and where Nate is. I think he's the Magister.

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  7. When I first read CA I thought it was the other Dark Sister who placed the girl there. I also thought that Mortmain what the Magister and he was throwing DeQuincy under the bus. I felt that Mortmain knew a lot more about what was going on than he led Charlotte to believe.

    As far as Jessamine- She is such a complex character. She reminds me of Izzy from TMI in that way. It's so hard not to like it, because of that complexity.

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  8. I always thought it was a little too convenient to have DeQuincey as the Magister, but I also didn't trust him.

    I felt sorry for Jessamine, and I agree that she is complex. She is basically torn between two worlds and will never NOT know about things like shadowhunters and demons, even if she can leave. She seemed so miserable and Tessa senses this, of course. I haven't read CP, but I feel like we have more to learn about her....

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  9. All I can think of is the Dark sisters. Sure enough, they could had had someone working with them in that horrible room, who knows? I definitly think it was Mrs. Dark who but Miranda in the room though. I think she knew they would be back and put her there as a warning of whats to come.

    I think, as Jessamine says, "one does not have to be a shadowhunter if one does not wish to". She was brought up with pretty dresses and fancy parties and she did not have to life a finger, To suddenlt expect her to fight for other peoples life and get her hands dirty does not sound like something a girl like Jessamine would do, so I understand why she thinks like she does. It doesn't mean I agree with her.

    I think there is more to Mortmain then we might think but the whole thing about De Quincey being the Magister is not unbelievable so what he said is probably true. I just htink there is more to it...

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  10. The first time I read Clockwork Angel I thought the Dark Sisters made the clockwork girl and that Mrs. Dark left the warning because she correctly assumed that the Shadowhunters would come back to investigate.

    At the beginning of the chapter, I couldn't sympathize with Jessamine. I thought she came across as ungrateful. But at the end of the chapter I started to understand her more, and for me, she became more likeable.

    When I first read Clockwork Angel, I didn't know what to think of Mortmain.

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  11. *I thought that she was made by the Dark Sisters and that she was left there to wait for when the Shadowhunters came back.

    *I couldn't help but feel sorry for Jessamine. It's a life she doesn't want and was never supposed to be a part of. I do think she is rude and ungrateful a little too, Henry and Charlotte are just doing what they are supposed to do.

    *I don't think I really knew what to think at that point the first time I read it. I'm pretty sure that I thought Mortmain knew more, but was just too afraid to say anything else. He already said more than he should have.

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  12. I don't think anyone was watching per-say, I think perhaps they (Mortmain, the Dark Sisters) just knew The Shadowhunters would come back again to search for clues and left them the warning. I always figured one of the reasons 'Miranda' stopped working so quickly is because it took Will and Jem longer to go back then was expected and she had just run out of 'power' by then.

    I have mixed emotions for Jessamine. I can see how it is a real struggle for her since her family never wanted her to live as a Shadowhunter, they taught her that it was not a good/normal thing, but at the same time I would think she could show a bit more compassion and respect toward those that have taken her in.

    Poor De Quincey just ended up being a pawn, while he might not have been a real good guy. Mortmain knows exactly what he is doing and is using everyone and everything to get what and where he wants~

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  13. *I thought whoever made Miranda could see through her eyes or something. I think Miranda might have just wondered around, partially broken, after the house was deserted. Then when the Shadowhunters came into 'view' the machine maker spoke to them. I can't remember who I thought the maker was on my first time reading CA.

    *I really do feel for Jessamine. Poor girl was raised to despise Shadowhunters then is forced to live with them. She's just a girly girl and wants to dress up and go to balls.

    *I think I did believe Mr. Mortmain was just a bumbling naive idiot at this point. I agreed with Charlotte.

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  14. I thought that the message was left for Jem and Will because they knew that the Shadowhunters would be back. It never occurred to me that they were being watched.
    Jessamine is hard to figure. I feel sorry for her, but I also viewed her as a spoiled brat through most of the book. I also thought that there was probably more to her than that or she wouldn't be tolerated as much as she was by everyone else at the Institute.
    Mr. Mortmain is sneaky and I think he was only telling Henry and Charlotte what they wanted to hear. I don't think I trusted his info as much as Charlotte did.
    I love Henry, by the way. I hope as the books go on we get more of Henry and Charlotte's relationship because I think that there is a lot more there than we know now.

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  15. I sympathize with Jessamine because she was born into a life she doesn't want. I think she shouldn't be forced to be a shadowhunter on one hand because she is unwilling but if they let her free, the secret could accidentally be spilled which could endanger the Shadowhunter race. she seems rather spoiled but it seems as if spoils are all she has in her life. I feel sorry for her because money doesn't buy happiness.

    I think Mortmain is lying, pretending to be something he's not so Charlotte and Henry won't suspexct anything. Maybe he knows something important or is leaving something out. I don't trust him at all.

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  16. Great thoughts! It's interesting to read everyone's takes on the warning to Jem and Will and see what everyone things about Jessamine.

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  17. Wow, great chapter. Regarding the warning, I don't have a clue who would have left it or why... although after hearing Mortmain's squirrelly answers at the later part of this chapter, it makes me think that he is somehow responsible, because it said "Beware the hand of man." This makes me think that a mundane is pulling strings, rather than the vampire de Quincey that Mortmain seems to finger.

    I completely understand Jessamine's feelings toward the Shadowhunters, although I think she should still try to be nicer and show some more gratitude. She has every right to want to leave this world and live a "normal" life, though.

    I definitely think there's more to Mortmain here. He is trying to shift the focus to someone else, but there are too many ties back to him -- including the weird robot-servants in the Dark Sisters house, and even Tessa's Clockwork Angel. They all seem to tie back to this guy and his inventions somehow.

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  18. Mortiman still creeps me out. I don't like him. I like De Quincey even less.They seem to plot together or hate each other. I don't like either. I like the character but hate the personality. Ms Clare as alway has made characters that we love to hate.
    Jessamine: I can identify with her character and reasons but I feel no pity for her because of how she acts. I think she is a great character. I love how she is part of the ying-yang of happiness and upsettingness of the story.
    Also, the clockwork girl, someone is totally watching Will and Jem.

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  19. Blah I have to rewrite this.stupid captcha. ANyways the clockwork girl is definitely the magister's. That is pretty straight forward he is the antagonist. I would be grateful. Jessamine should be thankful to them they took her in, cared for, and supported he rheav amount of shopping. Instead shes bitter. Mr. Mortmain is creepy . nuff said

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  20. I do think that Jessamine should have the choice of whether she wants to be a Shadowhunter or not, BUT I also think she should stop being so rude and ungrateful and bratty about the situation. She could be out on the streets, but she has a place to live. Mr. Mortmain's knowledge seems quite broad, but I wonder how far it really goes...also, there is a large chance that Tessa, Jem, and Will are being watched by someone.

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  21. Clockwork girl is from the Magisterium/Pandimonium Club...not sure the purpose yet...up to no good I'm sure..I think there is a mole in the Institute...someone is watching and reporting to the Magister

    Jessamine is a complicated character...has the skills yet hates who she is...will be interested to see where she ends up

    Mortmain is cunning...should be watched...he is up to something...DeQuincy is too obvious to be the Magister...believe he is being set up

    StephAnnee

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  22. I like Jessamine. I understand her not wanting to be a shadowhunter. She wants a different life for herself and there's nothing wrong with that. As for her gratitude to the Shadowhunters, she could be a little nicer.

    MundieMom- now that you mention it, Jessamine totally reminds me of Izzy, I never noticed it before but now I do.

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  23. I think that it's not fair to judge Jessamine too quickly because though we know a little about her, we don't know enough. Why she is the way she is hadn't really been revealed yet and though she is bitter and a tad blunt, the reasons behind these traits might shed some light on her character as a whole.
    I do feel bad for her. To be ripped fron her family so young against her own will and forced into a life she never wanted. Sure she should be grateful, but how can you be thankful for something you never wanted?
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    I think it's obvious that someone is keeping tabs on Tessa. The fact that she escaped the dark sisters doesn't mean that she would be free of whatever source was behind them. Jem and Will are clearly being followed and kept an eye on, or if not them personally that definitely the London Institute. Since the clockwork automan knew to address them as nephilim.
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    Mortmain is hiding an awful lot and I don't buy his false answers, they're a little too well delivered. DeQuincy seems to be shoved the blame, yet we know little of him. The fact that he has never been mentioned till this point and is immediately given the blame leads me to think otherwise. Just doesn't add up.

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  24. In all fairness Jessamine is just a product of her upbringing and her time. Her parents taught her to avoid being apart of the Shadowhunters and during this time period, norrmal girls her age are trying to find husbands.

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  25. Well the warning being sent was kind of expected, because of course "The Magister" wouldve known they were going to go back and investigate so i think thats maybe why he would have left the message

    Jessamine i think has an excuse to feel that way because all her life she was taught not to behave like a shadow hunter and her parents did not want that life for her so when she lost her parents i think she just lost it and put all her hatred into hating shadow hunters.

    Well when i first read it i thought his answers were perfect and i didnt really think about Mortmain, and when he dished out the stuff about De Quincy i totally bought it, hes a clever man

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  26. I do think someone is keeping tabs on the institute and is definitely watching Will and Jem. The Dark Sisters and the Magister have to be involved.
    I feel for Jessamine. She has told Tessa about her past and how she feels about being a shadowhunter. Her family made great effort not to be involved in the shadowhunter world. Jessamine wants what she had before her parents were killed.
    Mr. Mortmain can not be trusted. I think that is very obvious. He seems even more suspicious when he gave De Quincey's name so easily. The Dark Sisters feared the Magister then so should he. Yes Charlotte was forceful getting information, but Mr. Mortmain who shows to know alot about the downworld community should of gave more resistance in giving up information.

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  27. I think Mr. Mortmain was the one who built the machine/clock girl. I think that the Magister was the one who sent the warning. There is something interesting about this since Tessa wears the Clockwork Angel around her neck all the time. That could be a way that the Shadowhunters are being watched.

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  28. Sorry i'm just getting to the post, when i went to work the post wasnt up, and i only just got off.

    I think mr.mortman may have built the girl. And i think he knows alot more than he told charlotte and henry. And i think someone is watching them. The dark sisters were worlocks so maybe they cast some spell to spy on tessa.

    I rhink jessamine should be thankful for the shadow hunters taking her in. Even after her parents stoped being shadow hunters. But at the same time i believe every one should be able to choose their own path and that (a normal life) is what she wants so she should be able to have it.

    As i said i think mr. Mortman knows more than he's telling. As for de quincey, that's very brave and stupid of him to do somethong like that knowing it!s against the accords. He can get in some serious trouble. He really dug a big whole for himself.

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  29. Sorry i messed up my name again it went in as anonymous, and sorry i'm just getting to the post, when i went to work the post wasnt up, and i only just got off.

    I think mr.mortman may have built the girl. And i think he knows alot more than he told charlotte and henry. And i think someone is watching them. The dark sisters were worlocks so maybe they cast some spell to spy on tessa.

    I rhink jessamine should be thankful for the shadow hunters taking her in. Even after her parents stoped being shadow hunters. But at the same time i believe every one should be able to choose their own path and that (a normal life) is what she wants so she should be able to have it.

    As i said i think mr. Mortman knows more than he's telling. As for de quincey, that's very brave and stupid of him to do somethong like that knowing it!s against the accords. He can get in some serious trouble. He really dug a big whole for himself.

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  30. I think Jessamine should be a lot nice and much more grateful to the shadowhunters for bringing her in. But I understand why she hates the life so much. I hope she does meet a man that takes her away from the life she so despises.

    Mr. Mortman definitely knows more then he is letting on! And I also think someone or something are watching the shadowhunters.

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  31. I think the Magister and Dark Sister had the clock-girl there waiting for the Shadowhunters to return. Yes, they probably are being watched by many different people!

    Poor Jessamine, she seems bipolar to me. I mean that in a very compassionate way as I have experience with the disorder. She obviously hates being where she is and struggles with who she wants to be and who she really is. This chapter gave us a lot of insight into her personality.

    Whatever Mr. Mortman got himself into, I think he is shaking in his shoes now. Charlotte did a great job putting the fear of The Clave into him! Although he seems just as afraid of de Quincey. Poor guy just might have a nervous breakdown..LOL!

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  32. yeah, i like the other people think that the automaton was left there deliberately. the dark sisters would probably think that the shadow hunters would return (like cops coming back to investigate a crime scene to try and get all the full details), so the dark sisters would leave things that they wanted the shadow hunters to find. as to who made the automaton, mortmain would be one of the main suspects. he is someone who makes gears and stuff for a living, and despite his claims that he has no idea what his customers does with his stuff, it would make sense that if he looked at the parts he was 'selling', he could daresay have some sort of idea of what the customer would do with it. anyway, the fact that de quincy is the magister seems all to convenient, and i can't imagine what a vampire would be doing making automatons. *shrug* i don't really know who would make the automaton apart from mortmain and de quincy, and i would think that the more likely would be mortmain, who has experience in this type of stuff.

    when we were introduced to jessamine, i just thought she was a stuck up, typical drama queen. i didn't really think much about her because i thought she wouldn't really be an important character to this book. (maybe to the series later on as we learn more about her, but not to this particular book). when she takes tessa to the park and talks to her about some of her life, i can see more why she acts the way she does. i understand why she feels like she doesn't belong - she never really wanted to be a shadow hunter, and losing her parents (who i think didn't want to be shadow hunters either?) of course would have some impact on it. and i think she feels like the only proper lady in the institute - with charlotte who goes out and fights and runs the institute (which we discussed earlier was odd during that time period and for the shadow hunters who seem to follow all their old traditional rules and such) and sophie and agatha who are their servants - and so she doesn't also want to have blood staining her ... reputation. (i can't really think of another word) i liked it how tessa and jessamine have more interaction, and more about jessamine is revealed. now i kind of want to find out more about jessamine.

    i kind of touched on the last question(s) just then, and yeah. mortmain is just a shady guy. the automatons were used by people with malignant intent.. so if mortmain knows something about the automatons, then he should know something about the people who used them. and as i said earlier, i find it weird that de quincy is in the midst of all this.. he's just the head of a vampire clan. there's all this talk about de quincy but we haven't really met him yet, so i haven't really cast a judgement on what's his business in all of this stuff.

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  33. Oooh... Mortmain's one tricky character...Really, props to him! De Quincey's just your overall slick scumbag. :P

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  34. Would it be possible that there is a spy on the Institute? Anything is possible but I don't want to think any of them are. I have a tiny inkling that Mortmain has something to do with it juse because it's him who's manufacturing the cogs.

    I think everybody has a choice, and if Jessamine chooses not to be a Shadowhunter is has the right. But personally I really thin that being a Shadowhunter is a gift, a gift that should be use of only by the good.

    I'm not buying Mortmain's answer, I think his occult association makes him very untrustworthy, haven't formally met De Quincey but he must be really powerful to control the night children.

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  35. *I think the machine/clock girl was left by whoever the Dark Sisters are in league with. I imagine they would assume that the shadow hunters would return and search the house so they placed "her" there.

    * I feel for Jessamine. She was brought up one way and now thrust in to a new way of life that she doesn't want. It must be frustrating to feel like you have no choice. However, I don't think she would like the life she thinks she wants. She has more freedom than she knows.

    *Mortmain = bad. I don't know how but I just feel it!

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  36. As someone has already pointed out, it's quite difficult to answer these questions when you've already read the book lol ^_^

    My first instinct when Will and Jem encounter the automaton at the Dark Sisters' house is that they're [Dark Sisters] responsible for it. As far fetched as that sounds, that's the first thing I thought of. Otherwise, I wasn't sure.

    I do sympathize with Jessamine, but at the same time, she SHOULD be grateful and not act so haughty about it. If it hadn't been for Charlotte and the others, she'd be living on the street since none of her extended family were willing to take her in.

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  37. - I think it has to do with The Magister and/or The Dark Sisters. Now how could they have known ? No idea. Maybe they were being watched like you said.

    - The first time I read CWA I didn't really liked her (before finishing the book), and while her attitude doesn't really change I did ended up sympathizing with her and I do like her. I sympathize with her desperation of wanting a different life than the one she was given, and wanting to leave everything behind. I just don't like her attitude towards women in general, and her "family" (Charlotte, Henry, Will, Jem, Sophie...). I look forward to hear more or her and her parents in the next book.

    - I remember that the first time I read I sort of bought into his answers, and I was intrigued by the mention of De Quincey.

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  38. I think it was left by Mrs. Dark, I think she assumed the shadow hunters would continue to investigate and eventually come across the automaton.
    Jessamine is truly a sad figure, she may be a shadowhunter but she was raised as a mundane. The way she describes her upbringing it sounds as if she had a very good life, it must be hard to have to live a life that your parents didn't want you to have.
    Mortmain does seem suspicious, he has connections the pandemonium club, he produces clockwork parts, he has a connection to the dark sisters and Dequincy thru the pandemonium club, he knew Tessa's parents and Nate worked for him. I wonder if this is a coincidence. or a red herring?

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  39. The clockwork girl was obviously left on purpose to relay a warning message to intimidate the Nephilim about their apparent impending doom. We're not sure who left it, besides the surviving Dark Sister, but otherwise it's as of yet unclear what the message means. We'll have to keep reading to find out what happens next...

    It's surprising that we meet the first reluctant Shadowhunter in Jessamine. It explains her behavior and how rudely she treats everyone else; like she's better than them. (I would have little tolerance for such things, myself.) I guess it should be a choice, when you think about it. Just because you're born into something, doesn't mean you can't still choose your own future.

    De Quincey was supposed to be an ally to the Clave, and when Mr. Mortmain declares him to be the Magister, that seems to go out the window. It will be interesting to see what Charlotte and the rest of the Shadowhunters decide to do next!

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  40. The first time I read CA, I thought the girl they found in the house was Miranda. But now I see that she isn't described as having her face bashed in, as Tessa had done to Miranda, so this is a different girl. It's a great way to forshadow that there may be a battle to come since the Shadowhunters can't kill the clockwork creatures.

    Tessa's description when she changed into Jessamine was that there was something dark and rotten at her core. I originally thought of Jessamine as being spoiled and self-centered. I like this new glimpse in to her character. I can't help contrast it to Clary and her desire to train to be a Shadowhunter once she finds out she has Shadowhunter blood. Jessamine has it and is throwing it away.

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  41. * I think the Magister knew somebody would come back to investigate the house, which is why he left the "girl".

    * I do sympathize with Jessamine not wanting to be a Shadow Hunter. However, I don't agree with how she acts about it. There are other ways to deal with it besides being a brat.

    * I still don't trust Mr. Mortmain, so I don't know if I believe him or not about De Quincy being the bad guy.

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  42. I do think someone is watching them. Tessa is staying with the shadowhunters and many her so it's fitting that all of them are being watched. I also think that the Dark Sisters left the clockwork girl because they are associtated with the Magister and he of course wants Tessa so I'm guessing they are the ones watching everyone.

    I don't sympathize with Jessamine. She was brought up a rich brat and that's how she acts around everyone. She should be more grateful because Charlotte and Henry both love her and care for her and she does nothing in return. If Jessamine actually tried she would be a great shadowhunter. It's not the perfect life she wants but they care for her and take care of her and she is just really ungrateful.

    Mortmain knows how to tell a story when he needs to. He is a very clever and smart man but when Henry and Charlotte had to talk to him again that seems fishy. Especially with the evidence they have. So no I don't trust him at all. De Quincy is the most powerful vampire so it is very wise to fear him and suspect him. This makes its very easy to see him as the Magister but harder to prove because it isn't that easy to find him. There is definitely something up with him and Mortmain.

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  43. I feel bad for Jessamine, because she honestly can't ever have a normal life. Even if she were to go out find some nice mortal guy, she'd have to deal with the fact that her child might turn out to be a shadowhunter. She's kind of stuck where she is. And when you're stuck, resentment and bitterness can build up until that's all that's left.

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  44. Jessamine deserves to be happy, whether it's in the Shadowhunter world or the Mundane world.

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  45. When I first started reading it I always thought the Dark sisters were the real evil masterminds...obviously I was wrong, but at the time I thought it was them.

    Gah, I love Jessamine; horribleness and all, because she's not rude just for the sake of being rude. She's actually very smart, but I would love to see her actually do some major shadowhunting (ha...if only that was a real verb.)

    I thought De Quincey and Mortmain were in cahoots. It only made sense, and wouldn't that be an awesome dynamic duo? The vampire and the human?

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